Film music vs. Classical music
August 5, 2009
Well it’s been a little while since my last post. We’ve moved from April to August; I could say life has been busy, but to be honest I simply haven’t had anything worthy to write about. Sometimes I forget about BtNG. Then someone leaves a comment and reminds me that it still exists.
This here post is one I’ve been brewing on for a while. It’s nothing original. Many people have remarked in the past about how some themes from movie scores sound very similar to others from older classical pieces.
1) The first example is of course the most notorious:
JAWS theme, by John Williams
Now compare to the opening of the fourth movement of Dvorak’s New World Symphony
2) How about the Charging of Fort Wagner from Glory, by James Horner?
Carl Orff’s Carmina Burana, O Fortuna
These two are perhaps slightly less alike; though the change to a triumphant major chord (at 2:30 and 2:17 respectively) are similar.
3) And now the battle scene from Gladiator, by Hans Zimmer
Yes, I realize those clips are from the movie Troy. However, it was the best single chunk of Zimmer’s battle music from Gladiator that I could find. I know many people already realize it bears a strong resemblance to Gustav Holst’s Mars, the Bringer of War from The Planets. Both deal with war and the Romans, so it seems fitting that one draws from the other.
4) Speaking of Holst’s Planets, have you listened to the Jupiter movement? The passage we’re looking for begins at the 3:02 mark.
This sounds a lot like the opening phrase of one of the main themes from James Horner’s Braveheart score.
5) Speaking of Horner, there is another more obscure find in his Troy soundtrack. I am thinking of the Trojans’ theme, which features a distinctive F-horn run that sounds very similar to a motif in the “Hosanna!” portion of the Sanctus movement from Benjamin Britten’s War Requiem.
The Britten is first. Just for laughs, watch at the 1:57 mark in this video when ol’ boy makes a mistake and then smiles sheepishly. Hehehe. Now listen at 2:30 when the brass fanfare begins.
Now listen to the 44-second mark of this video.
What do you think?
6) Finally, one of my favorites comes from Howard Shore’s Ring Theme. Listen to those dark string chords at 29 seconds.
Ohoho! I want to watch Fellowship of the Ring. Now.
Okay. Compare what you’ve just heard–the first two notes of the Ring Theme (which appear all over the trilogy, by the way)– with this next piece. It is a movement from Vaughan Williams’ Dona Nobis Pacem entitled Reconciliation . It occurs in the middle section while the baritione soloist is singing about a dead soldier’s white face in the coffin. Listen at 3:03, 3:14 and 3:27. . .
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There are many other musical examples out there. I am not in any way trying to accuse anyone of plagiarism. Far be it from me to do so. Rather, I think it notable that many contemporary composers are still drawing from the past, taking inspiration from their elders. Do you think it has always been this way?
Stay tuned for the next blog post in four months.
First! Just wanted to be first, now I’ll go back and read it.
Awesome, this was well worth the wait. Did you come up with all of these on your own, cause if so, you’re a genius. Even if you didn’t, you’re still a genius.
Also, I do think most composers will always be inspired from whatever music they’ve enjoyed, learned from, etc. Seems impossible to separate that influence. And reminds me of a good quote from T.S. Eliot, “Good poets borrow, great poets steal.” Although, I’m pretty sure he didn’t say those exact words, but still…
And as a bonus, I think I found the Reconciliation:
Thanks for the link, Art. I had also found this video, but I thought it was such poor quality that not worth sharing.
If you listen for it, the LOTR moments occur at 2:38 and 2:47, though sadly, they are barely recognizable. I seem to recall playing the clip for you months ago after a men’s group. I’ll have to play it for Bri-Bri next time he’s over unless he can solve the problem.
Dangit, well, here’s a link to the WordPress help for uploading audio. You may have to upgrade your account, or ask someone with some space to upload it for you, then link to it.
http://support.wordpress.com/audio/
They are throttling our bandwidth at work now so I had to click play and then pause on all the clips to get them to load, and now I have to wait like 20 minutes for them all to load. I got bored and decided to leave a comment. I just want to say how happy I am to see a post from BtNG, especially one about music. I can’t wait to hear the similarities you speak of! I’ll be back in about 19 minutes.
Wow, 1:27 into Gustav Holst’s Mars is where I really heard the resemblance to Gladiator. The driving rhythm in the background makes me think of the Imperial Fleet assembling in Star Wars, although I don’t have a clip on hand to compare.
Hey, the beginning of the Jupiter piece was used on this Reese’s commercial. Now I know where it’s from – thanks BtNG!
Wow you’re right, at 3:02 it really does sound like “Love Theme” from Braveheart:
I know this is a long comment with too many videos embedded in it (who knows if it will even let me post this – we’ll find out), but I have another one for you. This one isn’t Classical vs. Film, rather it’s Horner vs. Horner. Check out how he uses this same melody in Braveheart and Glory. First listen to “Closing Credits” from Glory at 2:30:
Now listen to “Sons of Scotland” from Braveheart at 3:30:
In Glory you have the B – C – G and then you just go up a full step to Braveheart with the C# – D – A (thanks Virtual Keyboard). Can you plagiarize yourself?
Great post. I have always thought about this stuff but my knowledge of classical music is very limited. By the way, I’m going to get the Planets after reading this post.
Thanks, Bri. Yes, 1:27 is definitely one of the spots where Zimmer “tips his hat” to Holst.
Speaking of Star Wars, Jesse claims to know of some spots that sound similar to Mahler symphony(s). Also, I know there is a spot or two in Jurassic Park that is reminiscent of “The Rite of Spring” by Stravinsky.
“Hawnta bea croque…”
Art, it looks like I could upload an mp3 from the intarwebs, but not from my computer. I will just content myself with the link you posted.
You can send me the audio files via email and I can upload them to my server and then give you the link. Then you can just plug that link into the audio player in your blog post. The audio files you send me have to be mp3 however. (If you have m4ps in your iTunes library let me know and I can tell you how to turn them into mp3s)
“…Andie Byountice”
going to lunch…will attempt later today…on my slow computer.
yes, arthur. he’s a genius.
Holst:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ouEyeN2F9Hw
These have a similar vibe (though not perfectly exact)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PeyMXBPi4Oo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFpZPZ_g4Hw
8:41
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AxVTvrD3HY
1:15
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yaYZdYFz_6Q
7:44
I already agree with the braveheart comparisons. Most artists are influenced by others.
Just throwing out an early request for an Ireland/Guinness Extravaganza Trip Report.
I second the motion.
Done and done. At least, I thanksgiv’d so.
Okay, it’s been about four months since the last blog post. You’re due.
Agreed. Get on it.
Well, more like 3.5 months. Still….I will hopefully get something up soon.