Some of you may have noticed moments in a film score that are strikingly reminiscent of a piece of classical music you heard once before. Or vice versa. The most notorious of these is probably John Williams infamous “Jaws” theme, which is almost taken verbatim from the beginning of the fourth movement of Dvorak’s “New World Symphony”. More obscurely, one may find the same obsessive rising minor seconds in the opening of the orchestral overture of Mendellsohn’s “Elijah”.
I sometimes wonder about this. Isn’t it glaringly obvious that we are hearing the exact same music in two very different pieces? Did the composer purposefully quote a favorite passage? Did he realize he was doing this? Most likely he did. I am not trying to discredit the composer who does this. I am merely pointing something out that I believe is fundamental in music. Music has the distinct and wonderful quality of being both new and fresh, and yet the same as it always has been. Composers invariably hail back to the great masterworks, salute the giants of the past. Not only do I think this is acceptable, but I think it is both unavoidable and wonderfully refreshing.
Musical quotation itself–the technique of taking an exact passage of music and replicating it in a new piece–has been widely utilized by many great composers, especially in the 20th century. You see it most often with folk idioms. Bartok traveled around eastern Europe–Romania, Hungary and Bulgaria mostly–in search of native melodies which he would incorporate into various string quartets, piano pieces and orchestral works. An astoundingly large amount of Stravinsky’s music is infused with obscure Russian folk melodies. The great American composer Charles Ives quoted American folk tunes so often in his music, that he has very nearly become known just for this. (If you ever get a chance listen to Ives’ “Central Park in the Dark” or “The Unanswered Question” with the lights out.)
What makes this technique of musical quotation so intriguing is the way that a composer will use it to his own ends. Listen to the scherzo movement of Mahler’s second symphony. Then listen to the third movement of Luciano Berio’s “Sinfonia”. It is one of the largest full-scale quotations you’ll see, as the composer brilliantly takes Mahler’s entire scherzo and uses it as a backdrop for one of the movements of his Sinfonia. He also quotes snatches of Claude Debussy’s “La Mer”, Maurice Ravel’s “La Valse”, Igor Stravinsky’s “The Rite of Spring” and various quotations of Arnold Schoenberg, Anton Webern and others. Over it all eight amplified voices recite texts of Samuel Beckett. The effect is something quite magical and unique, at times both humorous and macabre.
But does music quotation ever become plagiarism if it is not acknowledged? Is there a line to be drawn here? Should the composer always tell us who he is quoting? That is purely based on context, I am sure. Perhaps in some instances, if asked, it is at least polite to give credit where it is due. I am inclined to think that this is not entirely necessary though. After all, where would music be if it did not hail back to the old masters? What would we have to build on if we didn’t look to the greats of ages past? Who are we kidding? Has anyone ever really created something completely ‘new’ and never thought of before? Would there even be any new music if it wasn’t taken from something already set down in the canon?
I for one have caught myself ‘accidentally’ jotting something down from a piece I heard, thinking it was my original idea only to find out much later that it already existed. It’s a very disappointing feeling. Can you believe I thought for years that I had actually composed the melody “Amazing Grace”! Hard to believe, isn’t it? I was crestfallen when I discovered I had only heard it sung one night at school when I was very young. The impact of the melody must have been so great that it stayed in my head, I forgot where I had heard it, and eventually I concluded that I must have concieved it myself. Unfortunately, I think this happens with a lot of composers. And it is often difficult to distinguish between what we make and what we heard from someone else.
In a way though, I think it is a wonderful thing. Music gets inside us, imprints itself on our brains, takes form in our imagination, and it gets down into our very souls. Some of the best new ideas are really just old ideas reworked, used in different ways to say different things. Sometimes when I find the grain of an idea for a new work, it is something I had heard once long ago; it is way back in the dusty corners of my memory and it resurfaces only when I accidentally play a chord on the piano or hear a very provocative phrase of music in the scene of a movie. I make it my own.
This is what I love about music. It gives itself freely to us all, and it doesn’t mind being used over and over again. It comes from everywhere. It doesn’t mind being revitalized, reinvented and recycled; and yet it never loses itself, it never becomes what it isn’t. It is always the same.
(There is far too much to write about here, and there is so much I want to say about it. More specifically, I would like to do a post later on comparing certain beloved film scores with great classical pieces of the past. I already mentioned “Jaws”. I will try and include recordings of everything I cite. It may take a while to scrounge up though. You may be astounded at the shocking similarity between some of the them.)
I’ve thought about this a lot and think that it’s true, not only for music, but for all of the “arts.” I think that is the major difference between science/technology and humanities/arts. Like you said, there’s too much to write about here, but I totally agree with you.
It’s also funny that I get annoyed when I hear a new rap song that steals a Phil Collins theme, but I think it’s genius when John Williams does it (with classical pieces- not Phil Collins. Although that probably would be genius).
I thought about briefly mentioning pop artists “stealing” other artists’ music, but decided I’d just keep it strictly about classical music. I’ve got a list of several moments in film (Star Wars, Gladiator, First Knight, Count of Monte Cristo, etc.) where the soundtrack is practically identical to another piece by a classical composer. It’s crazy. It might take a while to get all the recordings, but I think it would be worth it to share.
Jon, I’m really glad you made this post. My first song I wrote that I was proud about, I played for Brian. He quickly told me that sounded like a David Grey song (I didn’t even know who David Grey was). He played the song and it was the exact same chord progression completely. Chord inversions matched up, but different melody all together. I thought I was so original with my song, but obviously not. However, I don’t think that takes away from my song one bit. Like you said, there really is no true originality.
I really enjoyed the Neo-clasical period that Stravinsky ushered in. He was proud about quoting the giants of the past. So honest, I love that guy. Good post Jon.
Hey thanks for the comments, C.T.
I should clarify a bit…I think there still is definitely originality, just like everyone’s personality is unique, this inevitably goes into their music and makes it original. But I guess what I’m saying is that it’s pretty much impossible to create something that is completely ‘new’ or that has never been done before.
Does that make sense? I think I just confused myself.
Yes, it does. I guess it was me who wrote unclear because that’s what I think too. I just started reading Walking on Water today and I can already tell its a great book.
Bye!
C.T.
Good post Jonathan. Good to read and think about, and yes, as the others have said, I agree with you. I’ve had the same experience multiple times, and yet, I’m sure “most” of my music is original. I think often times it takes being “inspired” by the art of others in order to create something new. Ultimately, if nothing else, all art is inspired by Creation in some way or another, so I suppose one could say that God is the ultimate Original composer and all artists in some way or another are portraying that original work in their own piece – be it revealing of the Light or revealing of the Dark – it all still comes from One Source. Amazing.
I agree also that each of our own personalities help to make things new. I love that! Unless it’s just blatant plagiarism – which in my book would be someone claiming a unoriginal piece verbatim as their own – it’s awesome that it can become something new. To get into the pop field just for a minute, I’ll use Eminem as an example. (You may ‘boo’ now.) His song “Stan” w/ the piece from Dido used as the main refrain is one instance in which I thought the use of another artists piece was brilliant. Of course, I think you have to be careful because you’re using someone else’s poetry and music to express your own feelings. That can be a good thing, but I don’t think it should be taken lightly.
Anyhoo, yeah, there’s much more to say on this subject. Thanks again for the post Jon. Good to think about this.
Thanks for the thoughts Luke. Even the Eminem example!
That reminds me of one day back at IU when my piano teacher was complaining that he had to go see “8 Mile” with his daughter the night before. It was hilarious to imagine someone like him going to see a movie like that.
Yes, I believe God truly is the Great Composer (just one name to describe Him!). And we can either acknowledge this and create works knowing that it comes from the Source, or turn our backs and believe that we ourselves are the source. The book that Tim started reading, “Walking on Water” by Madeline L’Engle is a great discussion of this topic–how creative people must cocreate with the Creator.
This is what I love about the opening of “Silmarilion” (if you’ve read it). Tolkien’s creation myth takes the form of an ever-expanding song that is always changing always growing from the mind and heart of God. Melkor (Satan) wants to make his own music, completely apart from God’s. Of course we know what happens. It becomes discordant, dissonant and ugly. What an awesome analogy this is! And not far off the truth, I think.
With any art and craft, I think we can choose to be a part of the Great Song (as I like to call it) which has been growing and expanding for eternity, offering our own bit, our own personality. Or we can choose to do ‘our own thing’. I think a lot of composers have chosen the latter and the results are unfortunate. Just as man cut off from God is dead (he has an end in himself), the music we hear is dead, defunt, ugly, pointless. It doesn’t point to anything higher or greater than itself.
Your comment has gotten me orating from the soapbox once more….
Good! Meh, orating not, discussing yes. Good thoughts. Thanks! Looking forward to playing tonight.
I’m glad you wrote this because sometimes when I’m writing music I spend too much time trying to avoid copying or replicating someone else’s work. I’ll write a melody, analyze it, and see if it matches up with anything I’ve already heard. Well, as you’ve pointed out, that is a foolish thing to do because it takes away from my own creativity – original or reinvented from something else.
When you mentioned the Silmarilion it reminded me of a song I once wrote for piano called the Song of Melian based on a character in the book. Apparently it inspired me in a musical way.
I’m also reminded of the Song of Albion trilogy by Stephen R. Lawhead, especially when you talk about the Great Song. Keep up the insightful posts!